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by y0ghur7_xxx 4121 days ago
whatsapp and fb messenger work perfectly without google play services installed. whatsapp even manages to update itself. i see no reason why TextSecure could not do it. It's an app that is focused on privacy, and as such should work without closed source software from the largest data collector in the world installed on the phone.
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ForHackernews 4121 days ago
Facebook and WhatsApp are much bigger players with massive infrastructure that Whisper Systems doesn't have.

I agree it would be a lot better if it didn't require Google Play Services, but I'm not sure how realistic that is. Google has worked hard to make the Play APIs indispensable for anyone trying to work with Android.

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shawn-furyan 4120 days ago
This. TextSecure is a tiny player that's already had a tremendously outsized impact. It's completely unrealistic to expect them to be able to support every edge case and provide as smooth an experience as these billion dollar companies can.

TextSecure and their Open Whisper Systems' involvement in Whatsapp have done more for the adoption of end-to-end encrypted peer to peer communication than the combination of just about anything else that could be brought up as a contributing factor. When they say that SMS is a net hurdle to adoption, then I trust their judgement on that count.

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y0ghur7_xxx 4120 days ago
> Facebook and WhatsApp are much bigger players with massive infrastructure that Whisper Systems doesn't have.

even kik (http://www.kik.com/) works without google play services, and it has no massive infrastructure.

but even then, it makes no sense to say that chatsecure is secure and client side encrypted, when it NEEDS, and BUILDS ON closed source software of (one of) the largest data collector companies in the world.

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