[ceejayoz]

> It was titled 'but prices are not falling fast enough' and showed 2006-2014 cloud prices falling 6-8% vs. 20-30% improvement in hardware pricing.

Did power, land, maintenance, staffing, R&D, etc. costs fall 20-30% during that time period too?

[jimmrf]

Good point:

Power - per kW cost would not have fallen materially, but efficiency per instance would have improved

Land - flat fixed cost would not have fallen, but sunk cost on existing facilities no marginal cost only relevant to geographic expansion. Also, AWS would own so would be working from increasingly small amortized base

Maintenance - might improve marginally with scale and experience as improve leverage on physical infrastructure

Staffing - would expect headcount per instance to fall in the period and automation to simplify some roles, offset by rising wage

R&D - You are 100% correct this would most definitely be increasing in the period and illuminates an interesting nuance. I am probably perverse in thinking of the underlying 'core' service (compute, storage, etc) margins as funding R&D to compete by creating the suite of services on top

[nostrademons]

For Google's purposes, this is immaterial. They already have core competencies in power, land, maintenance, staffing, R&D, etc that are sunk costs. Their point is that Amazon is enjoying 80-90% profit margins, and so this is a lucrative business for them to enter. Moreover, they're pointing out that they can offer you large cost savings sustainably to entice you to switch.

For a small business's perspective, the cost of overhead is absolutely material - but then, most of them probably wouldn't switch to bare metal anyway, but rather Dockerize their app and shop it around to whoever the lowest-cost IaaS provider is.

[ceejayoz]

> They already have core competencies in power, land, maintenance, staffing, R&D, etc that are sunk costs.

Their cloud offerings expanding mean more power use, more land use, more maintenance, more staffing, more R&D. It's not all sunk cost.

[nostrademons]

But the point of the graph is that these together << the price they can charge for the service. That's what profit is.

[ceejayoz]

Of course they're making money off it.

Claiming that a 20-30% reduction in raw hardware costs means you should see the entire service's cost go down 20-30% ignores those non-hardware costs, though.