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Perhaps, but then we delve down the rabbit hole, and at some point you might as well make your own sql queries, right?

I recommend rails mostly because of the incredible number of helpful resources. Also because you can use it as a beginner, ignore the magic while you don't understand it, and later try to understand it.

I committed rails code my first day on a new job with no prior ruby/rails experience, though I had used Django before. Pretty green there, as well.

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> I committed rails code my first day on a new job with no prior ruby/rails experience, though I had used Django before. Pretty green there, as well.

But you had _some_ programming experience, is what I'm getting at.

My problem with rails for a complete beginner is that you end up with too many rails-y things to learn, and you can't focus on the basics.