[kefka]

And those "stupid" boundaries are just lines in the sand. Yes, 2 disparate groups claim ownership over which side of the line someone/something falls on.

But the underlying point is the same: the reason for the "country" is because people with guns and a fence said it is.

And it would be ideal if we all worked together to do something constructive.

[rayiner]

You've got it backwards: As long as we live in a world of finite resources, it's utterly rational to capture the best ones then draw lines to defend them. It's irrational idealism that leads to the opposite conclusion.

[kefka]

And, we have enough resources for everyone to have a place to live, and food to never starve. And most civilized places have figured out a basic health system so people don't suffer needlessly.

Yet people are homeless, and people die from malnutrition and starvation. And the sick are ignored, or looked at as cash cows.

And it's not "irrational" idealism. It's acknowledging that there are other ways to socially go forward, rather than the capitalistic "I got mine, so fuck you" mentality. There's enough for everyone. No if's, and's, or buts. It's about time we matured as a global culture and strive for that end.

[mod]

Culture and identity come to mind as valid reasons to preserve a country.