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by dredmorbius 4131 days ago
Fair point. And I do appreciate the additional information and links.

From your NY Times article (published May 27, 1999):

Until last Sunday, no government or intelligence agency from the member states had openly admitted to the existence of the UKUSA Agreement or Echelon.

The mutual surveillance / legal evasion possibility appears to be suspected but not demonstrated. Again as with much else, what Snowden's done is to specifically document such activity. Which is of and by itself a material distinction.

European Parliament officials have also expressed concern about the use of Echelon to gather economic intelligence for participating nations.

And:

While few dispute the necessity of a system like Echelon to apprehend foreign spies, drug traffickers and terrorists, many are concerned that the system COULD be abused to collect economic and political information.

(All-caps emphasis added -- minimal HN formatting options have their drawbacks.)

So, I'll maintain that the documentation of such abuse is a New Thing.