[j10t]

I moved from Seattle to San Francisco a couple years ago, asked Yelp for the best coffee and was sent to Philz.

I experienced some culture shock learning that San Francisco's top coffee shop didn't serve espresso. The idea of a coffee shop without an espresso machine had never crossed my mind. I left confused, with a scalding hot pour over, and moved back to Seattle soon afterward.

Blue Bottle and Four Barrel Coffee were both excellent.

[seeingfurther]

It's funny you say 'scalding'. Part of why I love Philz is they serve it the perfect temperature every single time. I get a cup in my hand and can start drinking immediately. At Starbucks I need to ask for ice to cool it down.

[archemike_]

I was scoffed at during my first Philz trip for mentioning espresso. Then the followup to the scoffing was how it was abuse to the beans and that "fake coffee crap" of buring beans into liquid was vile. I'll just summarize this anecdote and say that these highly opinionated business models are how Apples type brand loyalties are created and enforced, as awkward as it can feel.

[hamitron]

It bothered me too. I love espresso too much.