[eli_gottlieb]

>You assert humans have value. There is no empirical evidence of this claim.

But of course there is. Humans have value to humans. You are assuming that "have value" requires a supernatural grounding.

[keane]

This is where the Is-Ought problem comes in. We are unable to make an observation about the empirical universe ("Humans have value to humans") and then conclude an objective value statement from it ("Therefore humans should value other humans"). You either misunderstand the Is-Ought problem or you deny it (without explaining why you are able to deny it).