[scottlocklin]

A plurality of voices which all say precisely the same things; Israel and US good, Muslims (except for our friends the Saudis) and Russians bad. The only difference between the Russian system and the US system is the Rooskies are more honest and straightforward about it, and in the US, people delude themselves into thinking there is a difference between the world view presented in MSNBC and Fox news. The main differences between MSNBC and Fox news are the personalities they demonize. The policies and worldview they present are identical.

Find me a US news outlet which, say, criticizes the preposterous influence of Saudi and Israeli intelligence services on the US political process (say, for example, the invasion of Iraq and the demonization of Syria and Iran), and I will say we have a freer news organization in the US. Or, for example, the fact that the US organized a coup against a democratically elected government in Ukraine, and put Joe Biden's son in charge of an oil company there: kind of like a corrupt oligarchy would. Meanwhile, if I want to read about this, Russia Today, despite being Russian propaganda, actually accurately reports on the subject. Which is why people welcome RT as a useful news outlet, and laugh at CNN as US propaganda.

[bayesianhorse]

I know plenty of sources who condemn Israel and the US. In the case of "Russia" as a villain, well, often the media doesn't really voice any opinion about who's bad or good, but 200 murdered journalists, no dissenting media, conquering foreign territory, tolerating extreme corruption etc just doesn't sound that well, but is supported by fact.

[scottlocklin]

I keep hearing "200 murdered journalists" -I have not really seen any evidence that it was done by the Russian government, rather than the mafiosos the present Russian government has been demonized in the US for attempting to remove from power.

As for "no dissenting media, conquering foreign territory, tolerating extreme corruption etc" -I can't tell which country you're talking about. Whenever I hear some slavophobe ranting about the Russians, it seems some peculiar case of projection.