[dragonwriter]

> Everyone I have ever known or seen that goes on one of those bootcamp style exercise programs loses dramatic weight. Every single person.

I've seen people lose weight, I've seen people not. Most people I've seen do it for the first time lose weight, but most of those who choose to do it and are doing it for the first time are otherwise-healthy people with high body fat.

> Everyone I have ever known or seen that went to actual bootcamp loses dramatic weight too, whether be army or marines.

Everyone I knew at the time they went to military boot camp gained weight; lost body fat though.