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by visakanv 4143 days ago
Reminds me of Shopify's Tobias Lutke– also German, also took an off-beaten path. I transcribed a Keynote that tobi once did.[1] Let me dig up the relevant bit:

> Within my little world, within this school, the most obvious/profound thought I had was that I needed Air Jordan sneakers to be part of the popular kids.

> That seems really silly from the perspective of adults. I was lucky- I got out of school (you can leave school after 10th grade in Germany- you can choose to do an apprenticeship with a company for a couple of years and then join University- really good system.)

> Middle of the 90s, Germany realises computers are getting more important, and we have no clue how to educate computer programmers. Science faculties of universities? Or address in a more traditional, hands-on craftsman kinda route? Lucky- one of the first class of kids to join this kind of thing, then I joined Siemens, and met a really great mentor there.

[1] http://www.visakanv.com/marketing/tobi

UPDATE: I remembered something else [2]:

"I dropped out of school when I was 16 years old. School was not for me. To me, computers were so much more interesting. Right or wrong, I felt like I wasted my time there and my real education was starting when I came home. I lost respect for the institution and of course this meant that I no longer bothered to put any effort into it. They diagnosed me with all sorts of learning disabilities and started to medicate me. I wanted to leave it all behind."

"I decided the best thing to do was to drop out and start an apprenticeship as a Fachinformatiker - computer programmer. This might sound like a stupid decision to people in North America, who often go to College or University to get a degree in something like computer science, but in Germany leaving high-school for an apprenticeship is not out of the ordinary. It is called the dual education system, and it is likely one of the main reasons for Germany’s success."

[2] http://tobi.lutke.com/blogs/news/11280301-the-apprentice-pro...

2 comments

One question: In what companies do Fachinformatikers' work and what kind of problems do they work on?

Added as a read, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9020335 great post.

I work for T-Systems, a subsidiary of Deutsche Telekom. I work in a team that does SAP. So most of the problems are "CRUD". ;)
Toby is quite the legend among devs in Toronto. Bruder. Bauer.