[zak_mc_kracken]

> Get rid of all the abstraction, local state, dependency injection, symbol management and so on. Take HTML/HTTP seriously and think about REST in terms of HTML rather than JSON.

So basically go back to writing Javascript like we were doing ten years ago?

No thanks.

I was there, it was hell, I hated every second of it.

The Javascript framework scene is very chaotic today but it's exciting, a lot of new concepts and approaches are being discovered on a weekly basis. A lot of them won't pan out but some will, and they will make writing Javascript even more fun than it is today.

And one thing I know for sure: it's hell of a lot more fun to write Javascript today than it was ten years ago.

[padolsey]

I get your point but, for me, it was more fun back then. There was more to hack on; heck, you could craft your own selector engine and people would use it. Awesome. Now, seemingly, all there is to do is build yet another CRUD application with whatever framework is hottest.

[mercer]

I'd say not having to worry about 'crafting your own selector engine' and stuff like that leaves you free to spend you creativity on things that are a bit higher on the abstraction ladder. Yes, it makes things that once required creativity more boring, but shouldn't that be cause for excitement that you can now be creative about other things?