[somedudethere]

That's why I love the start up I work at. We work 9-6 M-F. No weekends. No long nights.

I feel like places that have a "show up at 10 and work till its late" are immature and fooling themselves thinking they have gains in productivity.

Properly managing your time is a skill and one that management should help you develop. I shouldn't feel pressured to stay late because everyone else was fooling around all day. It also sets clear expectations of how hard and long you should work. There's no "Oh if I don't stay till 9 tonight will my manager think I'm not working hard?" Everyone is on the same page.

Before I started working there I was one of the people that would stay up all night sometimes to finish something. come in groggy the next day and get nothing done for that day. When in reality if I spent 8.5 hours the first day working on it and 8.5 hours the second day, I would have had full mental clarity when working on the project and the added bonus of mental and physical well-being.

[arjie]

I can't disagree more. Working 9 AM to 6 PM in San Francisco now will mean you get sunshine two hours from 7 to 9 (and that's assuming you get ready for work/play instantly). All the lovely daylight hours are wasted indoors.

[thecopy]

Working in Sweden i get no sunsine hours no matter what schedule i follow.

[somedudethere]

Its not about what time you start and finish its about how long you work. Having an open ended working schedule is what is wrong with the work culture at most startups in silicon valley.

[selter01]

Wait, what? So what do you propose? Work until 3 pm?

[hobs]

I like 10-7.

[hellodevnull]

Not everyone feels like they're wasting their life because they're indoors when it's sunny.

[madeofpalk]

Lunch? Work outside? Take breaks?

[dlu]

Totally agree. Setting aside some specific time periods for a big push, having a regular and sustainable cadence is invaluable. Especially if you have big audacious goals that require you to be clever. It is terribly hard for people to have that "aha" moment without sustained cadence. Hardly anyone is clever when habitually sleep deprived