[berdario]

Are you aware that Google XMPP servers still support federation? (I tried just that the other week)

I don't see how you _had to_ look for other options

(still: I agree how looking at other options is the wise thing to do, given that Google+XMPP seems to be a -very- slowly sinking ship)

[darklajid]

What do you gain there?

People that moved to Hangouts aren't available on GTalk (the xmpp part). I run my own XMPP server, people that have ancient Android 2.x mobiles and don't buy into the G+ nonsense can talk to me. People with more modern systems/that 'upgraded' to Hangout cannot.

Since my server cannot magically filter these people I came to the conclusion that Google _doesn't_ support xmpp, federation or not, for most of their users anymore.

(If you manage to access GTalk again, for example by running the GTalk thingy in GMail/the browser, you can talk to me again. I've got a hard time making my friends do that to contact me)

For all intents and purposes Google's XMPP support is broken.

[berdario]

> People that moved to Hangouts aren't available on GTalk (the xmpp part). I run my own XMPP server, people that have ancient Android 2.x mobiles and don't buy into the G+ nonsense can talk to me. People with more modern systems/that 'upgraded' to Hangout cannot.

True, but this is "only" a client problem. What is first and foremost important is the support server-side.

This ugly situation is just like if everyone suddenly decided en-masse to stop using their XMPP client of choice.

This is partly "waking up to reality" for the XMPP community, partly a huge tragedy for the lack of diversity in how people (used to) communicate over XMPP

...but none of these thing would impede Jaconda's users to receive notifications on their desktop or their mobile.

(If anything, I'd consider developers (Jaconda's users) more likely to have an actual XMPP client, rather than strictly relying only on what Google provides by default)

[darklajid]

I .. wouldn't bet on Google's XMPP support.

They just (~now~) sent out messages to GTalk users, telling them that Gtalk-the-desktop-app support will be terminated on the 16th of February, like .. in a couple of days from now.

For me Google's xmpp support is nonexistent, I understand Jaconda's attitude.

[berdario]

Yeah, I feel less and less confident in relying on Google's XMPP. I was conviced that this would be the time.

But I waited until today (17th February) to reply, and... well, Google hasn't shutdown its XMPP servers yet, apparently

Go figure...