[RottenHuman]

In case you lived under a rock the last two years:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosure...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempora

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

[PlzSnow]

None of these tools are "capturing everything I do on the Internet". They could be used to target an individual in some sense. But not capturing everything that everyone is doing.

The problem with discussions about the NSA on HN is that sense, reasoning and rationality seem to go out the window.

[RottenHuman]

>None of these tools are "capturing everything I do on the Internet". They could be used to target an individual in some sense. But not capturing everything that everyone is doing.

That claim contradicts what Glenn Greenwald says. Why is he wrong?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-...

[PlzSnow]

"That claim contradicts what Glenn Greenwald says. Why is he wrong?"

Null hypothesis. His extraordinary claim required extraordinary evidence, and there was none. It is not up to me to prove a negative.

But this is a pointless conversation. There is something about the topic of the NSA on HN... the debate has no logic or sense.

[emergentcypher]

There is plenty of evidence if you bother to look beyond your nose.

[lawnchair_larry]

They do actually capture everything, but there's no way they're renting this to the RIAA.

[emergentcypher]

And from outside flies in wilful ignorance.