[jcreedon]

In the beginning I don't think so. We've seen recently with Apple and Google, that there is such thing as a non-backdoored encryption product that agencies (both US and abroad) get upset about. That doesn't preclude there from being a backdoor requirement in the future, similar to a wiretap law.

[ceejayoz]

> We've seen recently with Apple and Google, that there is such thing as a non-backdoored encryption product that agencies (both US and abroad) get upset about.

Who says they're not pretending to get upset about them?

[rodgerd]

Amazon is the company that cut off WikiLeaks when a senator made a hostile speech. Google and Microsoft have both gone to court to resist government actions.