[exarch]

>FWIW this is the talk that got them (Ben Nagy and The Grugq) thrown out of Kiwicon

See, fuck this. We are all fucked if style begins to trump substance in infosec, like it has in most everything else. Fucking marketing turds. The Grugq is dropping pearls before swine.

[rosser]

If you need to say rude things in order to convey your message, you might take a moment to consider whether or not your message is actually worth conveying.

[exarch]

Whether or not a message is perceived as rude is irrelevant and a matter of selfishness. Whether or not it is true is what you should concern yourself with if you mean to get things done.

[Estragon]

I would say the talk itself is a triumph of style over substance.

[mfukar]

How so?