[greggyb]

I'm going to stop repeating myself. You have not materially engaged with any of the arguments I have made in support of my positions nor coherently addressed my position, rather have taken the positions I have provided and engaged in no dialog beyond repeating your own claims that I have tried to address reasonably. At this rate we will continue in circles.

[stolio]

Just a note: if you're going to bow out of a conversation you don't feel is productive there's no shame in that, we all do it from time to time for a variety of reasons. You don't have to save face by suggesting that you're reasonable and I'm not, you're coherent and I'm not, you dealt with all my arguments and I dealt with none of yours, etc.

I don't find your arguments compelling, you don't like mine. Whatever, it happens.