[bdw429s]

I actually happen to think the tooling around CFML isn't all that bad. (The link in one of my other comments elaborates more) Can you give me some examples of tooling that CF doesn't have? I've found a lot of people just aren't familiar with what's out there.

[davidgerard]

No I can't, but that I can't is pretty much the problem I'm stating: that people need to think of it as useful for things, not as "oh, that was that template thing they used in the nineties." I'm talking about public image here, not tawdry reality.

[aepearson]

David, I can't help but to feel like you are making a REALLY good point. CF only has a few outspoken advocates. Popular ones that I can think of I can count on one hand.

It's definitely not "cool" among the startup culture, which seems to drive a lot of the language popularity.

[davidgerard]

So it needs lots of "Show HN: Cool thing I made with Cold Fusion" and first comment lots of details as to why CF was totally the right toolkit.