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by elwin 4157 days ago
I was going to say that social repercussions are prone to be abused, but I think it's more accurate to say that social repercussions are abuse.

For every source of bigoted and hateful nonsense that is silenced, there are a hundred victims of thoughtless discrimination and a dozen people using their social power to punish those they hold grudges against.
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vertex-four 4157 days ago
The various civil rights movements got where they are today through the use of social repercussions. Do you think we'd be legalising same-sex marriage over the globe, for example, if it were still socially acceptable to look down on gay people as lesser beings? Or do you think we'd still be chemically castrating gay men?

The lack of social repercussions for things means the status quo stays, because there's no reason for it not to so long as it doesn't directly affect the majority in a way that they can see.

EDIT: Additionally, frankly, you can't make me interact with people, or support people, who refuse to accept that I exist as a real, healthy person who doesn't need to be "fixed". That goes against all manner of rights, and is severely unhealthy for me.

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elwin 4157 days ago
> The various civil rights movements got where they are today through the use of social repercussions.

I don't think this was the case. Look at, for example, the abolitionist movement. You'll find the social repercussions directed against the movement. It took over twenty years of convincing people of the justice of their cause, despite the forces used against them.

> The lack of social repercussions for things means the status quo stays

Isn't it more likely that social repercussions will be used to enforce the status quo? Only when change has already won can it use social force to complete its victory.

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vertex-four 4157 days ago
> Isn't it more likely that social repercussions will be used to enforce the status quo? Only when change has already won can it use social force to complete its victory.

Not quite. It works in two steps. At the first, while an idea is growing, there are social repercussions against it. Once it reaches a certain mass, the social repercussions start working against the majority.

Even a relatively small minority can affect the majority through social repercussions, by definition, doubly so if the members of the minority are still relatively hidden - if they can't be attacked directly.

In the UK, there's serious social repercussions against supporting UKIP, and they're still plenty strong.

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