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by RemoteWorker 4159 days ago
Ah, the good old "if no one uses it as a currency it will die, so you have to spend it!" argument. The answer is that we are using it: as a store of value. But every time we explain this, detractors will invariably reply either that it's not a good store of value because it went down in <insert cherry-picked timeframe>, or that saving is bad for the economy because central bankers say so.

For these sort of questions, simply compare it to gold: Is it dying because "no one is using it" to buy groceries? Does it sometimes go down, and yet a lot of entities, including central banks, consider it a great store of value?

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With regard to 'store of value,' there are two sides to the coin, if you will.

For something to work as a store of value, there's got to be some other aspect of it that has a value/utility in another way. For gold this is it's resistance to corrosion, millennia of history, for the usd it is its broad acceptance as a medium of exchange, I could even store value in something like canned goods, or toilet paper, or firewood, or soap, or solar panels...

With bitcoin the case could be made that the structure of its network is this other side of the coin, intrinsically valuable aspect of it. That might bear out and more people might gravitate toward that, but that is far from a given at the moment. (do keep in mind that this aspect of it is endlessly replicable open source software, so it really boils down to the community, brand, ethos... that is built up around a given cryptocoin network. Another differentiating aspect I suspect we will see more of is innovative distribution/mining models. And then the other thing that establishes a currency is that it has to be the sole coin of the realm in a given realm/economy no matter how small, which we have seen you could say in the darkmarkets, but I think something along these lines but a little more 'legit' is what is really needed to see a cryptocoin take off.)

So it's my view that by saying it is being used as a 'store of value' before it has established utility/gained currency in a significant way in other realms is putting the cart before the horse. And that's why I'm asking if all the people that are just sitting on it, so sure it's going to take off in one way or another, how is it going to take off? What is it going to being used for? Also, that sounds less like a store of value and more like a calculated risk/speculative purchase.

As mentioned in my previous comment, I also see its current primary use as a 'store of value,' i.e. a land grab in attempt to profit from speculative future uses, as being a hindrance to its use in any of those speculative future uses.

Almost everyone using gold does it for it's symbolic value. Those uses cases involve tiny amounts compared to the monetary one.But that symbolic use is so old and it fulfills such an important need of humans that it's momentary value is guaranteed. Albeit something "like more worth than most materials".
>The answer is that we are using it: as a store of value

Money serves no purpose beyond a convenient means for economic transactions and paying taxes. There is no magic behind it, nor is it meant to be a long term store of value. It has to turn over to be useful. So if you're holding Bitcoin as a store of value (relative to what?) then there is no point comparing it to money.

There's also a difference between "saving" and "hoarding".

See the Capitol Hill Baby Sitting Co-op[1] for how real life hoarding of stores of values mean that exchange completely stops. It is a classic currency story.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Babysitting_Co-op

It doesn't seem like exchange is stopping:

https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume-...

I love how Bitcoin is destroying all these economic "theories".

  > For these sort of questions, simply compare it to gold 
I can't wait to see people wearing bitcoin jewelry...
If you think jewelry is what gives gold most of its value you are a little confused.
I don't believe I said that. My comment was a glib attempt to imply that gold has other uses aside from being a token of purchase power that also contribute to its worth/cost: jewelry, manufacturing, electronics/microprocessors, I believe even some lubricative uses in aerospace, pigmentation, medical, and probably many others.
What's your point? Bitcoin has other uses too, eg: http://proofofexistence.com/