[fidotron]

This "Microsoft Missed Mobile" meme should die in a fire. They didn't so much miss it as fail to deliver anything anyone wanted in the space, except for their most extreme fanboys, for about 15 years. Bill Gates famously went absolutely nuts about Symbian and considered them a giant threat to the company. It really didn't help.

On the strength of today Nadella hasn't reined in the Windows group anything like enough. Clearly too much of the same management as presided over Windows 8 remains. They would have been better off producing Windows 7.5 than this. A good start would be to accept that the Live Tiles might have been a nice design project, but have completely failed in the wild. The same goes for the ludicrous swipe on sidebars.

So I'm calling it now: Windows 10 is another turkey. Not as bad as 8, but Windows 7 has got a new lease of life.

This is a shame because the world could do with Windows 10 actually being good, and Azure and the Microsoft services are close to best in class (Office 365 has stopped Google in it's tracks) but today they demonstrated they still have that inability to score from an open goal.

[ZanyProgrammer]

Aren't we massively premature in our estimation of Windows 10?

[aceperry]

Maybe, but it wouldn't take much to improve on Windows 8.

[programminggeek]

Microsoft Missed Mobile in that they didn't make anything compelling enough that people wanted to buy. Google and Apple did.

[stevenjohns]

Windows 8(.1) is great and I've used it since it was released. Going back to Windows 7 is seriously slows down my productivity in almost every way and I find it fairly inhibiting. I can see how from an administration standpoint it becomes difficult, but as an independent user there is absolutely very little wrong with it and it is miles ahead of Windows 7.

Talking specifically about live tiles: I love that I am able to hit the Super/Windows key and immediately see an overview of all of the information I care about. This includes notes, emails, weather, calender and stocks. I don't see how it failed at all-- it's wonderful.

I think this "Windows 8 sucks" meme should die in a fire, because it's grossly inaccurate at best. And this is coming from someone who primarily uses an OS X-inspired GNU/Linux distro (Elementary OS) as a daily operating system.

[jordanpg]

This custom homepage idea has been around since Google Home and probably any number of internet portals before that.

MS's version just ropes you into the MS App Store ecosystem. Found anything you want to download there recently?

[nightski]

It does nothing of the sort. I use the start screen all the time and none of the apps on it are MS App Store apps.

[aceperry]

Strange, but most people I know really can't stand windows 8(.1). Some have been beaten into submission by being forced to use it, but if anything, they'd prefer to go back to windows 7 or xp.

I may be a linux user, but that's only because windows sucks so bad. Lots of people will tell me that it's really my fault that windows is behaving badly on my machine. But when I explain to them that I don't have the same problems using linux on the very same machine as windows, they can understand my point.

[tdicola]

It's sad because there's a lot of nice developments with modern operating systems like containerization, transactioned updates with rollbacks, etc. and as far as I can tell Windows 10 has none of it. They've just been spinning their wheels trying to unify everything, while the rest of the world (Android, iOS, CoreOS, Ubuntu Core, etc.) is moving ahead.

(yes I know MS is looking at container support for Windows, but the fact that there has been no information or technical details is troubling)

[aaviran]

Windows 10 is obviously consumer focused. Consumers don't care about containers

[tdicola]

Android, iOS, etc. have strong separation of application data and consumers definitely care about the enhanced security that comes from it.

[ghuntley]

There's been plenty of information on container support, matter of fact it's being developed out in the open on GitHub - Project K.

https://github.com/aspnet/XRE

Then just use docker to run your code on EITHER windows or linux.