[coldtea]

>The fact remains, though, that whatever strengths Groovy has as a language it has struggled to gain significant traction

Compared to what? JRuby? Groovy's adoption, from the number's I've seen, walks all over JRuby's.

It's just that the Java world is not fashionable (besides say Clojure) and you don't often hear from the people who use Groovy in their enterprise projects, whereas 10 startups using the language-du-jour can create the impression that it's the hot shit on HN.

[pjmlp]

No, but you do get presentations at local JUG and those have been pretty empty of Groovy content in the last years.

[coldtea]

I think people that go to JUGs and people that do enterprise development are entirely different species...

[lostcolony]

That was not at -all- my experience when I went to one in Atlanta. I and one other guy were the only ones in t-shirts; every single other person was in polo and khakis at least, with quite a few dress shirts and suits. Pretty sure it was mostly dominated by enterprise. Admittedly, that was my one and only experience with one; it was sufficiently enterprise-y and uninteresting for me that I never went back.

[pjmlp]

In Germany JUG are all about enterprise.