[ta75757]

Because the fact that there is a very small chance that a person may kill themselves with a gun does not mean the government should deny that person the right to own a gun. And people with a history of mental illness are already excluded from owning guns.

[vor_]

This article is a comparison of deaths caused by vehicles and guns as well as a comparison of the amount of government regulation between the two, not an argument to ban the 2nd Amendment. One point in the article is the lack of oversight on gun sales to criminals.

[danielweber]

One point in the article is the lack of oversight on gun sales to criminals.

If we're talking about "gun sales to criminals," we are way way less likely to be caring about gun suicides.

[lkbm]

This argument seems at odds with the claim that suicide constitutes the majority of the deaths.

[danielweber]

EDIT

Even though most gun deaths are suicide [1], your odds of killing yourself via suicide are still low. There's slightly less than 1% chance of your life ending via suicide. Taking away guns to stop suicides is a pretty big NNT.

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[1]

Accidental discharge: 591

Suicide by firearm: 19,990

Assault by firearm: 11,068

Unknown involving firearms: 248

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_03.pdf

[ta75757]

How so?

[vor_]

I believe the point is that if the chance of suicide is very small, and the mentally ill are forbidden from owning guns, it would seemingly be at odds with the claim that "over half of all quoted gun deaths" are suicides.

[ta75757]

I don't see the direct connection between the suicide risk of a single gun owner and the ratio of suicide to homicide in total gun deaths.

The claim regarding suicide vs homicide is easy to confirm (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta...). It is not possible to predict every suicide, the best we can do is make an approximation using obvious risk factors like hospitalization for mental illness. There are millions of gun owners in the US, so yes the chance of a suicide is small.

[FeeTinesAMady]

How is it at odds with that? That is a fact, not an opinion. It's true that over half of all quoted gun deaths are suicides, and it's true that the chance of suicide is very small. The great majority of gun owners don't commit suicide. There's no contradiction.