[nailer]

Apple Swift and Unreal Engine Blueprint both have amazing state visualization tools built in. See: https://docs.unrealengine.com/latest/images/Engine/Blueprint...

I think a deep visual debugging tools are going to be 'built in' in future in much the same way that HTTP primitives were recently with node and string manipulation was with Python 2.

[hyp0]

There used to be an IDE called "Together" that supported bi-directional transformation between source code and diagrams.

Although it sounded like a really cool idea, it didn't take off. Seems text is best (maybe because it supports incompatible hierarchies better).

[cLeEOGPw]

Text probably serves better because code is often too complex to visualize in some cases, and in others to comprehend generated visualized code.

Think about algorithm that switches values by using temporary variable for example. By looking at text, it's pretty simple to construct the flow follow the values traveling from one variable to other. But if you put it in 2D graphical interface, it becomes very problematic and hard to follow. I would imagine it would be easier if there was like a movie where value would move from one box symbolizing variable to other. But that would make it difficult to edit.

Another way would be to visually represent only change, but then it would be same as textual representation, only more redundant.

[r00nk]

Actually I can think of a simple way to visualize that.

The debugger actually displays what I call a folded lattice, meaning that execution starts at the top and goes down, so representing what your talking about would simply look like ">" with lines. It would need some representation of data flow, however, which it currently doesn't have.

[porker]

Thanks for the info, I'd never heard of that IDE before. With its common name it's been impossible to find screenshots so far.

> Although it sounded like a really cool idea, it didn't take off.

That could have been because it was bought by Boreland, who had a history of 'not succeeding' with projects, whose focus was elsewhere, who lost key staff at an important point, and then were bought out and mismanaged from there forward?

Delphi didn't have to die the death it has.

[wodenokoto]

It still exist and Borland has ridiculous small screenshots on their website

http://www.borland.com/Products/Requirements-Management/Toge...

[Chirael]

porker, try searching for TogetherJ which was the Java specific version of Together. I may have even used it back around 2000 but don't remember much other than the name.

[nailer]

> Seems text is best (maybe because it supports incompatible hierarchies better).

Both text and visual programming languages are simple representations of the structure of your program - what we normally call an AST. Neither is more 'true' than the other, and things in the text that don't match the structure are syntax errors.