[chton]

There is a big difference between having your rights violated and not having rights at all. The fact that we know the torture practices are wrong is because they violate our rights. We treat apes badly because they have no rights to which to compare the treatment.

[jjgreen]

"we have a right to not be tortured" is synonymous for "torture practices are wrong", rights do not exist in any other sense (ask yourself, where are they located?) unless you are a 18th century religious philosopher.