[samstave]

An interpolating poll is simply not acceptable when it comes to this. I am in no way going to accept that 2:1 in support of torture is a true number unless every single person asked that question were shown videos of the actual torture conducted by US military in an IMAX theatre.

Show me anal-rape-feeding on the big screen and ask me if I support it.

[harryh]

So support for say, abortion, isn't real unless you show someone a dead fetus before asking them their position?

[samstave]

Do he have "Planned torture clinics" where analogous said torture to one single gender may occur, where said gender may pay for said torture, then released.

Your analogy is literally brain dead.

[harryh]

Why is it brain dead? I was merely pointing out that the framing of a question to the public can dramatically influence the results, and I wanted clarification from you about what sort of framing you think is appropriate for different issues.

[samstave]

Abortion may be an ugly practice, but it is a voluntary individual choice that a person chooses for themselves, while it is controversial given that you are indeed killing your unborn baby - I don't think it is comparable to forced torture on other by sponsored governmental agents. Further, abortion is sought out and paid for by one gender of the population.

They are both moral issues, but other than that, they don't have much in common.

However, I will agree that if you made all people watch a video of an abortion, it would likely influence their opinion on it - but we don't cmsend the Cia all over the globe forcing abortions on people. Or kidnap people and send them to forced abortion clinics in Hungary.

[harryh]

People who are against abortion(1) aren't against them because they are forced on the mother but because they are forced on the fetus which they see as deserving of legal protection.

1. To be clear I don't count myself as part of this group.