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by patronagezero 4197 days ago
> A universe without a conciseness to appreciate it is quite pointless, and might as well not exist.

I value life in all forms too much to agree with that statement. I value humans the most, but only if they can find a way to value themselves and their surroundings in a harmonious way.
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ars 4197 days ago
Exactly my point.

YOU value all life. But that life doesn't value itself. It requires conciseness to do so.

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patronagezero 4197 days ago
... I'm not going to touch that, but perhaps you should spend a bit more time reflecting on that thought before you open yourself up to conversation on the issue.
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ars 4196 days ago
You are being too cryptic. And I do not mind conversation.

I have spent plenty of thought on that subject. If you wish to say something about it, then do, but do not assume other people will grasp your thought without saying it.

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ZenoArrow 4197 days ago
Do you mean consciousness?

Do you see consciousness as separate from life?

Would you agree that value requires more than just consciousness?

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ars 4196 days ago
> Do you mean consciousness?

Yes, I do, thanks. A little embarrassed I got it wrong twice.

> Do you see consciousness as separate from life?

Yes. And not only that (theoretically) you can have consciousness without life. They are separate things. One is about growing and reproducing, that other is about thinking.

> Would you agree that value requires more than just consciousness?

I don't understand what you mean, so I can not disagree or agree. Do you mean the capacity to value something, or that the thing has value? Or something else?

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ZenoArrow 4196 days ago
> Yes, I do, thanks. A little embarrassed I got it wrong twice.

No problem, I understood what you meant.

> Yes. And not only that (theoretically) you can have consciousness without life. They are separate things. One is about growing and reproducing, that other is about thinking.

Okay. Where does consciousness live?

> I don't understand what you mean, so I can not disagree or agree. Do you mean the capacity to value something, or that the thing has value? Or something else?

What I am saying is that consciousness by itself does not lead to judgement, and that it is possible to be conscious of something without assigning a value to it. Would you agree?

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