[pbiggar]

If the vendor doesnt have pricing on the website, they dont sell to people like you. They only sell to people with big money to spend, and you should buy from someone else.

If you are buying from someone like AR who _does_ have pricing on the website (https://www.appointmentreminder.org/pricing), then you must have a special requirement, and as such you should have the call or you're wasting his time and yours.

Generally when people tell you "it depends on what you need" they really do mean it depends on what you need. If you're going to run AR in a hospital for 1000 emergency surgeons, vs your run a 3 person beauty salon. If you're the former, patio11 sending you an email saying "it'll be $x/mo" is meaningless.

[gingerlime]

> If you're going to run AR in a hospital for 1000 emergency surgeons, vs your run a 3 person beauty salon

As you state earlier, there's some kind of bracketing going that matches certain service providers (saas or otherwise) to businesses. A 3 person beauty salon won't buy Oracle, but a hospital with 1000 emergency surgeons* would. How can AR fit both audiences then? Even if at its core it's the same service, all the other "layers" make it a completely different business.

[*] are there any hospitals that big??

[patio11]

There are, indeed, hospital systems that big, and bigger besides.

There is certainly some bracketing going on. When we're doing dogfights for true Enterprise accounts, we're doing them against publicly traded companies whose annual reports filed with the SEC says that > 60% of their annual revenue comes from less than 100 firms. Do the math on what that means their average account size must be for those 100 firms. It's nuts.

There are things you can say to me which will, quickly, get me to say "Look, I'll be honest: we'd love to have your business, but we're not the right fit for your organization. Can I give you the phone number of our #1 competitor? They're widely regarded as pretty trustworthy in the industry, and they're focused on helping customers who, broadly speaking, look like your organization." (Here's an example: "Does it integrate with SAP? Because we would need that." Ack, that will never happen, nope nope nope.)

That said, how can e.g. St. Jude Hospital (not a client, but representative of a few clients we have) use AR at the same time that Bugs Be Gone Exterminators (a 2 man firm) uses AR? Well, both of them also use Excel, right? Very different use cases, but same core need, and the sales model for Excel lets Microsoft offer it to both companies for an amount which is, for the exterminators, a trivial amount of money and for an amount which is, for St. Jude, so far below the noise floor it barely registers.

AR sells the same way, except it is a much narrower product than Excel is. To the extent that "It sure would be great if someone got a call from me" is the same problem for those two firms, we're equally capable of servicing it. (They have different needs, particularly with regards to privacy and compliance, which is why the hospital pays "rather more money than any of my published pricing suggests", but at the end of the day it is the same for loops executing the same state machine talking to the same Twilio APIs from the same hardware overseen by the same geek.)

[pbiggar]

Sometimes you can service both. GitHub, Heroku, New Relic, CircleCI, are all examples that serve 6 and 7 figure contracts while also supporting tiny 1-person contracts too.

[gingerlime]

Did these companies start doing both or only after getting investment? It's a genuine question, I don't know. I'm guessing you need to reach a certain mass to be able to do real Enterprise sales.

[patio11]

Github self-funded through $9 to ~$250 a month accounts while they were building their behind-the-firewall product which they sell to enterprises.

You need to have a certain mass to be able to sell six figure a year deals to a true Enterprise. I'd ballpark that mass as 90 lbs or so. They'd hire a software engineer who was 110 lbs soaking wet for $100k a year though, right? So clearly that engineer succeeded in an enterprise sales process at least once.

People tell me that that's different, but it is and it isn't. I closed my first (small) enterprise deal for AR, for a consortium of over a dozen hospitals (we got a tiny sliver of their appointments business), back when our run rate was below $2k a month. I felt pretty terrified about being on the phone with a VP they had around just to talk about HIPAA compliance, but no part of that conversation was a blocker to them doing the deal. (Long story short: I had done my homework on HIPAA and demonstrated that I understood what I was promising them. I then delivered it. The end.)

[inthewoods]

And not coincidentally, they all target the same person - the developer. You can't generalize about selling to all people based on this specific persona.