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by mattgreenrocks 4194 days ago
How long have you been playing with developing languages? How much do you think syntax matters? Will a homoiconic language ever capture the mainstream?

Actually, what hope is there in capturing the imagination of the mainstream? Seems like they're so used to having languages forced down their throat by corporate entities that our brightest hope lies in children.
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briantrice 4194 days ago
I was perverted by AutoLISP and CADForth in the very early 90's. By 1995 I was in college and researching on my own, found Self and Squeak and made a rather stupid but fun little lisp that ran on DOS4GW and built a Motif-style Morphic-like UI out of it.

And then I threw it away as a learning exercise. It was a few years of skills building before I really tried to make a language project. Slate had a few incarnations which were quite different from what it currently presents as.

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Blackthorn 4194 days ago
> Will a homoiconic language ever capture the mainstream?

Not the author (obviously) but I think it already has -- Clojure has gone mainstream.

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briantrice 4194 days ago
Clojure deserves a lot of respect for attacking concurrency in a totally new way, but I would not call it mainstream.

Homoiconicity is overrated; Atomo and Atomy represented better where I wanted to go, which is to adapt notation to the problem, even have it be flexibly remapped and recombined per modular scope.

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_delirium 4194 days ago
I'm not sure Clojure has even matched the "Lisp high-water mark" of '80s Common Lisp, which I'd consider only quasi-mainstream. Though it is definitely more vibrant in 2014 than the others.
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lispm 4193 days ago
That's difficult. Symbolics alone had a billion dollar revenue in the 80s (sum of the years), with a maximum of 1000 employees. Then there were TI, Xerox, Franz, Lucid, LispWorks, Intellicorp, ... as companies. I'd guess that Lisp earned in direct sales around 2-3 billion dollars in the 80s... In a much smaller market. Inflation adjusted that would be 4-6 billion dollar today. A large Lisp company today might employ 20-40 people. Large user groups in companies might have less than hundred employees (like ITA/Google had (has?) a few years ago).
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mej10 4193 days ago
Wow, I never realized Symbolics was that big. Were they just not able to keep up in the era of cheap, commodity hardware for workstations?
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hga 4191 days ago
A lot of that, a lot of NIH, and a lot of bad behavior and very bad management.
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