[jcastro]

Hey I judge at First every year! You're right that the amount of engineering prowess (and willingness to go into engineering) is really high, but for some reason the area is never mentioned among the heavyweights for some reason.

Oakland U also has (or had) a decent engineering program, no idea how it's coming along these days though.

[phkahler]

OU is still hosting the annual AUVS intelligent ground vehicle competition - autonomous vehicles. My team took 2nd place back in 1994. Yeah Google, we've been doing that stuff for 21 years. They're also building another engineering building.