[user24]

I dunno, 59 degrees seems quite chilly if you've just been stripped naked and soaked with ice cold water. Note no mention is made of whether the detainees were dried or clothed first either.

[coldtea]

@rayiner

>Oh my god they were quite chilly

And abducted, held without trial, tortured, waterboard, anal raped, threatened, beaten againast a wall, and other things besides. A lot of them while also being totally inoccent (and in any way, without trial).

What exactly have you suffered besides a comfy middle class existance that gives you the moral superiority to laugh at that?

Would you also laugh at jews in Dr. Mengele's cold exposure experiments being "a little chilly"?

[coldtea]

>Keeping in mind that we disagree as to how many, if any, of the detainees were "totally innocent" (as opposed to procedurally innocent), are you really going to compare our treatment of terrorists to the Germans' treatment of jewish civilians?

Absolutely. Abduction, held without trial, dehumanizing conditions, torture, etc.

Does your outrage about the jewish civilians only begin at the point were they burned them too?

Second, there are three levels of evil here, even if you disagree about "how many were totally innocent".

1) Some of them being totally innocent without dispute (for example those that were even released as such - in one case I read about after 7 years (!), and others for which they admitted they knew it for the start but used them as leverage, etc).

2) Even for the guilty, there should be no inprisoment without due process and fair trial.

3) Even for proven guilty, there should be no torture.

I don't consider anyone who does not agree on (2) and (3), basic tennets of human rights in the civilized world, anything more progressed than a KKK member lynching blacks back in the day...