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by richardwigley 4205 days ago
A major problem for the military is the availability of guns (and people who are effective at firing them). In the UK we used to kill ourselves with gas from the stove (it had carbon monoxide in it) - when gas stopped having carbon monoxide people thought - 'well people will find another way of killing themselves' but they didn't - availability of way of killing yourself was a factor in suicide. There's no obvious solution for the military, since they need guns. However, we can say that as a group they are more likely to kill themselves as they have an effective means to commit suicide when they are depressed. In the way an office worker does not.

Wikipedia article on this subject:

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Lethal means reduction [edit] Means reduction, reducing the odds that a suicide attempter will use highly lethal means, is an important component of suicide prevention.[17]

For years, researchers and health policy planners have theorized and demonstrated that restricting lethal means can help reduce suicide rates, as delaying action until depression passes.[18] There is strong evidence that restricted access at so-called suicide hotspots, such as bridges and cliffs, reduces suicides, whereas other interventions such as placing signs or increasing surveillance at these sites appears less effective.[19] One of the most famous historical examples, of means reduction, is that of coal gas in the United Kingdom. Until the 1950s, the most common means of suicide in the UK was poisoning by gas inhalation. In 1958, natural gas (virtually free of carbon monoxide) was introduced, and over the next decade, comprised over 50% of gas used. As carbon monoxide in gas decreased, suicides also decreased. The decrease was driven entirely by dramatic decreases in the number of suicides by carbon monoxide poisoning.[20][21]

A photo illustration produced by the Defense Media Agency on suicide prevention In the United States, numerous studies have concluded that firearm access is associated with increased suicide completion.[22] "About 85% of attempts with a firearm are fatal: that’s a much higher case fatality rate than for nearly every other method. Many of the most widely used suicide attempt methods have case fatality rates below 5%.".[23][24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_prevention

5 comments

>A major problem for the military is the availability of guns (and people who are effective at firing them).

I think this is a bit misplaced in the context of the US military.

Firearms are very tightly controlled on bases. The only people with guns at any given time are people that have an active reason for having them, e.g., guard duty, MP, training, etc. It's not like there are M16s just piled up in the barracks. It's one of the reasons the shootings at Ft. Hood were so deadly; despite taking place in the middle of a major military base, there wasn't anyone nearby with a firearm to respond like many people imagine to be the case.

You are correct about availability of firearms in general being associated with suicide rates, but I'm just pointing out that, in the US, military doesn't equate to easier access than the general population.

You do have easier access in the sense that you have _regular_ access to weapons and ammunition. You don't have _on demand_ access, so you can't often make impulsive decisions with firearms. You can, however, make planned decisions fairly easily.
For that to follow, you'd have to show that a significant proportion of the suicides by firearm by stateside service members involved government firearms. I sincerely doubt that's the case.
For what to follow?
The premise that access to duty firearms is a driving factor being logically followed by higher suicide rates among service members.

If the suicides aren't being committed with duty weapons, then there isn't really a logical link there.

High places and trains are pretty ubiquitous, and are commonly used for the purpose of ending oneself.

Is it not also possible that correlation does not lead to causation, as the presence of CO in coal gas led to elevated CO in homes and anywhere else gas was used (i.e. everywhere), and CO is well known to cause depression through long-term low-dose exposure?

>A major problem for the military is the availability of guns

Sorry, but it clear that don't know anything about "the availability of guns" in the US military.

The problem with the case you are making is that the majority of this so-called 'epidemic' is among non-active duty men, and there is some debate as to whether the suicide rate is higher than a comparable sample of the general population.[1]

[1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/02/but-there...

This is pretty poor logic. The guns are close to the soldiers because: warfighting. Warfighting is difficult and stressful, regardless of the presence of Guns. Its like saying the presence of trading monitors or tall buldings causes suicide during a stock market crash.