[mdakin]

If you look up the words education and training you will see that there are differences in definition but that all college programs contain aspects of both education and training. You are creating a false dichotomy. I can only speak of the effect an ABET engineering program had on me: it changed the way my mind works on a fundamental level. Good education of any variety tends to have that effect.

[notabel]

I'm waxing originalistic, but I'll spare you the argument from Latin (the relevant verb is educare), and just skip to the OED. To educate is "3. To train (any person) so as to develop the intellectual and moral powers generally." The distinction I draw is between "develop[ing] the intellectual and moral powers generally" and training a particular skill, without respect to overall intellect.

(Also note, I'm not saying that there is no such thing as an engineering education, only that many engineering programs suck at developing the mind generally. I'd still maintain that there's a fundamental difference between engineering and liberal art/science education, but that is not a discussion for this thread.)

[mdakin]

The same vague generalizations could be made about any poorly implemented program of education.