[stepstep]

All of these are valid points except 1. Node's async IO is one of its strengths. Contrast with Rails, for example, where the standard practice for concurrency is to spawn multiple processes (or, less commonly, threads). How many Rails processes can you fit on one machine? 5-10? Node can handle thousands of concurrent connections, all on a single thread. And when you hit those limits, you can always continue scaling with multiple processes like you would with Rails.

Doing CPU-bound computation in your application server is an anti-pattern. IO-bound computation, however, is where Node excels.

The thing to realize is that pre-emptive multitasking is costly. It is convenient for the programmer (the programmer doesn't need to worry about blocking and locking up the rest of the program), but it comes at a cost. Lightweight "green" threads, or equivalently, Node's evented dispatch mechanism, are a much more efficient use of the CPU. For applications composed of short-lived computations (e.g., < 1ms), it doesn't make sense to interrupt them and context switch. It's more performant to let them complete and then switch. You just have to make sure you aren't doing any CPU-intensive computations in the app server—which you probably shouldn't be doing anyway.

The downside of Node's approach is callback hell. And that's why we have Go.

[loxs]

Cooperative vs. Preemptive multitasking is not the same as Light threads vs. OS threads/processes. Erlang (and also Haskell for example) does preemptive multitasking with light threads. And that's what I'm talking about.

Yeah, preemptive multitasking may be costly. But as you say, when you have lots of users, most of their tasks are sleeping or waiting for timers. That's where preemptive multitasking excels. You can have millions of sleeping tasks and several (at times) doing real work. That's why Erlang is "scalable" and node.js is not. Especially if you need to have state in your workers and if you need them to live longer.

Saying that node's cooperative multitasking excels in IO-bound computation is a clear sign that you haven't tried Erlang.

[pkhagah]

> All of these are valid points except 1.

I have another counter-point for this as a rails developer tinkering with golang recently. I think Go got this correct in many ways. Having light weight goroutines that can scale well; having good IO which does epoll/libuv style wait in the background transparently when you read/write. Easy to understand multiprocessing language in general. I have no idea why it's not taking off in web development though.

[swah]

Go is not bad, but if you're used to Python it feels very verbose. But Go performs much, much better...

[codygman]

I personally use generics enough in web development that Go is sufficiently annoying for many parts.

[marcosdumay]

> How many Rails processes can you fit on one machine? 5-10?

Wat?!

By the end of the 90's, people started the "10K project", aimed at adjusting Linux and Apache so that a hight-end machine could support 10k simultaneous Apache threads, all doing IO at the same time. And they were successfull.

That was more than 14 years ago.

[j4meserljoness]

>The downside of Node's approach is callback hell.

Have you used Async.JS? In my experience, it has always solved my deep callback problems.

[phamilton]

loxs argument (and as an Elixir guy I fully agree with him) is that those options are all terrible. The Erlang VM (BEAM) is extraordinary in how it solves that problem. It's both preemptive and green threads. It supports SMP and clusters across nodes out of the box. I highly recommend taking a look at BEAM and how different it is from everything else out there.