[lionhearted]

> ...and whether or not legislators "read" bills is irrelevant: they're voting based on political calculation and personal principles, and nothing is going to change that.

I think we should try change it. It's a horrible state of affairs.

[hughprime]

The best thing about posting bills online for six months is that it doesn't matter that legislators don't read them. Instead you'd have an army of partisan bloggers etc trying to point out the flaws, ensuring that all the bill's flaws would get brought to the surface eventually, and at least some of those should get amended away.

[tptacek]

The average SnR on bills on OpenCongress is terrible. Most bills require expertise to really analyze; the people with expertise and the will to apply it are already chiming in on bills. I don't want to sound apathetic, but I'm not convinced about the wonderful powers of public peer review on legislation.

Roger Ebert's blog is amazing, and one of the reasons is that he generates amazingly thoughtful comments. He even managed to do a debate on creationism, in the context of Ben Stein's movie! Here's what happens when he does something overtly political. Note the comments.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/10/the_anger_of_the_fes...

(Something to notice: 1200+ comments later, and he is still responding to comments. The guy is a machine.)

[tptacek]

You change it by voting in better legislators.

Regardless, the idea that every voter on every piece of legislation is going to be conversant with every line in that legislation seems unrealistic.

[stavrianos]

It would absolutely be realistic if the legislation were of a sane length. If a bill can't be read and understood within an hour, it's probably too big for anyone to properly understand it at all, and it should be disallowed on principle.

[tptacek]

This all seems to devolve to libertarianism --- "the bills are complicated because regulation is complicated", "no, regulation is only complicated because we over-regulate", and on and on until we hit the point where we say the free market will take care of PCBs in the watershed.

I'm fine with the fact that Dick Durbin isn't doing line-by-line review of the health care reform bill, and with the idea that one party is lining up behind one set of experts and interests, and the other is lining up behind another one. Dick Durbin would do a crappy job of making good judgements about health care. Replace him with someone who's awesome at health care, and now you have someone who does a crappy job with defense contracts.

[stavrianos]

Either bills don't matter, in which case voting on them without knowing what they say is fine (but why are we wasting our time on it?), or they do matter, in which case they should be read and understood.

Is there more to it than that? Maybe a continuum of importance, where some proportion of the voters has to know some proportion of what the bill means. Then the rest can use a combination of guesswork and party line to make their decision... ? Oh wait.

It's a robust system! really!

[DanielStraight]

Libertarianism is devolving? I beg to differ.

[gojomo]

The complexity is a shield against accountability.

[DanielStraight]

I agree, except instead of one hour, one minute.