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by rl3 4234 days ago
This is a surprising move, won't it result in a large drop in their MSDN subscriber base?

I may be wrong here, but as far as I can tell, the only reason to maintain an MSDN subscription for the purposes of Visual Studio (assuming you're eligible to use Visual Studio Community 2013) is if you want the features in editions beyond Professional, you want to be on the bleeding edge, or you want the peripheral perks of subscribing.

Personally I think it's a fantastic decision, I'm just surprised Microsoft is actually doing it. Hopefully they will be timely in releasing a Community edition for future versions of Visual Studio.

Also, this move is pretty great for startups. I think it also puts BizSpark in a better position. Most early stage startups will no longer have to jump through hoops trying to get into BizSpark, nor prematurely start the clock ticking on that until they're ready.

One of my major peeves with BizSpark has been the requirement that your company's public-facing site be more than just a "Coming Soon" page. While I can see the reasoning, it's kind of annoying when you haven't launched yet, you'd prefer to focus on your product, and you want to make said site using Visual Studio anyways.

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The main value of an MSDN subscription is all the subscriber downloads and the Azure credits you get.

Want to try out or develop against any piece of MS software, just download it from the MSDN portal and off you go. Want to test out provisioning with Azure or fire up a server to test or dev against, just use your Azure credits. You can happily run a couple of small servers with the Azure credits.

If you just want Visual Studio you could always buy it on its own for much less than a subscription.

I get bugger all Azure credits with Pro. £35 a month which isn't enough to spin up one VM with 1.75Gb of RAM for a month...

If I grab MAPS sub and VS community I'm well up on cash.

£35 a month will get you four A0 Windows/Linux instances or a single Linux A1 and a single Windows/Linux A0 running full time for the month.

http://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/pricing/details/virtual-mac...

Yeah I know. The A0 with windows server is painful. If I got an A1 for £30 I'd break even on renting a dedicated box. That's the big pain.
"Most early stage startups will no longer have to jump through hoops trying to get into BizSpark, nor prematurely start the clock ticking on that until they're ready.

One of my major peeves with BizSpark has been the requirement that your company's public-facing site be more than just a "Coming Soon" page. "

I found BizSpark's barrier to entry, practically zero. I applied online and got accepted within hours. I just graduated last month. I never got bothered by Microsoft during the whole membership and exiting was pain free. My experience with the program has been wholly different than yours.

I was just questioning a facet of BizSpark. Taken as a whole, it's a great program.

My point was how Visual Studio Community 2013 enhances BizSpark by rendering that particular complaint moot.

My guess is that they will soon introduce Xamarin into the MSDN subscription plans. Hook developers with the free tools, and then sell the cross-platform, mobile capabilities of Xamarin as an upgrade. There is already a 20% discount for MSDN premium and ultimate subscribers.
Where I work has 5x complimentary MSDN Premium licenses care of whatever partnership level we have with MS.

So if they lost us to the community edition they'd lose $0. (And probably end up saving money, since no Azure developer credits.)