[bdunbar]

> Cisco isn't just a technology company. They're a giant sales and services organization.

I recall hearing that about Sun, too. Now they're just a minor cog of a database maker.

[kyllo]

Database maker, ha. Oracle is a much bigger sales and service organization that swallowed up Sun.

[bdunbar]

In my heart, Oracle will forever be a database company that was eaten alive by their sales and service organization.