[ChrisGaudreau]

It is amazing just how much Israel spies on America, and how nobody knows about it. If you dare to say it publicly then your reputation and career are destroyed, and you are an antisemitic terrorist sympathizer, if not also a terrorist.

[jcampbell1]

Israel spies on America, America tapped Angela Merkel's phone. The job of spies is to know the internal thinking of the current administration.

Spying, tapping, hacking, etc are not acts of war. In fact, they probably prevent more conflict than they could possibly ever cause.

Had we listened to Israeli spies, we would have never gone to war with Iraq over WMDs. Spies save lives.

[ak39]

Except for the very same Israeli Mosad spies who knew much more about 9/11 before it happened. That could have saved many many lives indeed.

[tptacek]

If Israel is #1 among our allies, France is infamously #2. You don't hear much about that either. I don't think this has much to do with antisemitism.

[ak39]

Of course it doesn't. But exposing and criticising France will scarcely receive the retaliation reserved for revealing Israeli spooks in the US. Much less (or zero) accusations of antisemitism.

[pavelrub]

Please tell us exactly "how much" does Israel spy on America relative to other countries, based on what information, why is this "amazing", and provide some proof that "if you dare to say it publicly then your reputation and career are destroyed".

It's amazing how HNs usual standards of logical discourse seem to disappear once the argument becomes political.

[ChrisGaudreau]

It's amazing how people who should know better demand proof of something obvious that's been written about so many times, just like how Fox News demands proof that Obama isn't secretly a Muslim. Or how people demand proof that goto is a Bad Thing™.

[pavelrub]

Well in that case you shouldn't have any trouble providing written evidence of people who have accused Israel of spying on the US, and as a result had their reputation and careers destroyed, and where labeled as "antisemitic terrorist sympathizers" or as terrorists.

It is you who have claimed that "nobody knows about it", and therefore it's neither obvious nor extensively written about, and it is you who holds the burden of proof.