[timr]

"The problem with this strategy is, of course, that while News Corporation can certainly strongarm lesser corps into following their actions lock-step, it's notoriously harder to convince a ragtag band of hacker journalists with a wifi card, laptop and camcorder as their biggest overheads to follow suite - they've less to lose, and less for Murdoch to threaten."

The "rag-tag band of hacker journalists" is a silly bit of romanticized fiction. Even if a few "rag-tag" journalists exist, and even if they manage to produce hard news in some semi-legitimate form, they've got to feed their families, too. Real reporters have full-time jobs. They can't do it for free.

One of my biggest pet peeves with the technology industry is that highly paid programmers -- intellectual property professionals! -- act as though content is just some sort of data stream that springs fully formed from the earth's core. They seem to believe that they're entitled free access to this content, and that the "dinosaur" industry of "old media" is doomed to failure because of the overwhelming success of their brilliant new business insights (namely: people like getting stuff for free). In order to believe this myth, however, you need to completely disregard the fact that the rotting corpse of the "old media" is the fuel that keeps the new media going.

Someday soon we're going to reach the end-game: ad-blocking will become ubiquitous in browsers, and this long, strange nightmare of "free" content and "zero marginal costs" will have to yield to the simple reality that content costs money to produce. We've got to stop investing in the childish notion that we can all become bazillionaires by aggregating other people's hard work with a comment thread.

[pyre]

> We've got to stop investing in the childish notion that we can all become bazillionaires by aggregating other people's hard work with a comment thread.

I can't count the number of times that mainstream media has done this same thing. There are plenty of examples of Wikipedia circular references (i.e. Journalist reads unsubstantiated comment on a Wikipedia page, Published comment as truth (without citing Wikipedia, though sometimes with citation), Wikipedia cites the new article as proof of the original comment). What about those articles that are basically a reprinting of some corporate press release, which are passed off as journalism?

[timr]

Do these things happen? Yes, of course.

Do these things happen so frequently that you can use them to argue that journalism is merely an aggregator of content? I think you've got an uphill battle.

[camccann]

Someday soon we're going to reach the end-game: ad-blocking will become ubiquitous in browsers, and this long, strange nightmare of "free" content and "zero marginal costs" will have to yield to the simple reality that content costs money to produce.

Which doesn't actually address the problem of getting any significant number of people to willingly pay for it.

It's entirely possible that the end game will not be "oh well, time to pay for content again", but rather "remember the good old days, when content actually existed?"

[JCThoughtscream]

Both of your views are, in my opinion, far too pessimistic, and not representative of the reality of the developing industry.

The fact is that there is content being generated online - and while the prevalence of linkblogs and content aggregates get all the, ahem, press, I suspect that they're not close to being a majority, or even all that significant a minority, of the various efforts currently made to evolve the business facet of news to fit the new digital paradigm.

As for the aforementioned ragtag band of hacker journalists needing to feed themselves at the end of the day, hell - even print media took decades, if not centuries, to settle on what is now a static and matured advertising structure and method. Do you really think a whole generation of newsfolks that've grown up completely immersed in the frenetically paced digital world /won't/ figure out a way to carve a profitable niche from it all?

The fact is that the factors that've kept newspapers relevant even as radio and televised news quickly outstripped them in influence and coverage don't hold up so well in the face of online news. Not when online news offers the exact same content for cheaper overhead for producers, advertisers /and/ audiences, and without the physical constraints of the standard tabloid sheet, quality of print, incompatibility with other media, or the untimeliness of once-daily release. It shouldn't at all come as a surprise that there'll be a few enterprising minds that'll seek to take advantage of these blatant advantages and exploit them for personal gain.

If you can trust people for anything, it's in finding a way to profit. And I fully trust my generation of journalists and editors to find a way. As ideological as it makes me sound, Capitalism really did get that bit right.

[pyre]

> If you can trust people for anything, it's in finding a way to profit. And I fully trust my generation of journalists and editors to find a way. As ideological as it makes me sound, Capitalism really did get that bit right.

It's important to note that this doesn't exclude the possibility that they all become corporate shills for one company or another. Not that I believe such a thing will happen, 'they will find a way to profit' doesn't always connect up with the more romanticized David-vs-Goliath imagery of 'hacker/journalist' rebelling against the mainstream media establishment.

[gaius]

Do you really think a whole generation of newsfolks that've grown up completely immersed in the frenetically paced digital world /won't/ figure out a way to carve a profitable niche from it all?

There already is such a model. If you look at Reuters for example, you can read the news delayed by 20 minutes at reuters.com for free, or you can pay and have it delivered in real-time to your Reuters terminal.

And now a story: Reuters in London had a big Jumbotron screen outside their headquarters. A crowd gathered there to hear whether London had gotten the 2012 Olympics. The people in the surrounding buildings were all traders and got the news and spread it to the crowd long before the Jumbotron updated. That was rather embarassing and a quick hack was done to allow marketing folks to override the delay if necessary...

[gnaritas]

Sometimes, industries do die, replaced by technology that enables the common man. It's a flawed assumption that there will always be full time professional reporters, it could just as well swing the other way. Real journalism is mostly dead on television already, it's mostly just new entertainment rather like professional wrestling.

Free isn't likely to go away, neither are bloggers, the future may well be mostly amateurs.

[JulianMorrison]

Do we even need professional reporters any more?

Given:

- People will do their own reporting on disasters, political upheavals, etc. In fact it can be nigh impossible to stop them, witness Iran.

- People comment and discuss for free. Hell, 99% of the traffic on the internet that isn't spam, piracy or porn is chitchat over opinions. Some people are even qualified to have an informed opinion. These can be aggregated.

- Investigative journalism costs, but it also sells (as books and magazines if not as newspapers)

- 99% of what ordinary reporters do every day is produce filler crap because you can't just print a blank paper with the headline "nothing happened". This is pumped out as news but it isn't news. It could vanish and it wouldn't be missed.

[Quarrelsome]

No, the argument is the difference in quality. Proper journos are better than just standard people, however how many "proper journos" do the papers employ anymore? Seems to me like a whole lot of em just look at Wikipedia and just regurgitate press releases which is no better than your average "joe public" reporter.

[netsp]

The old media probably has a part to play in the future, just not as big or as rich as before.