[BloatControl]

So here is a 700+ comments thread about MS products without one single occurance of the word that is associated most with anything MS: bloat.

We have a serious problem with generations of so called software engineers growing up with the perception that this kind of code flatulence is ok to be released to the world.

We need more programmers with real knowledge to solve the problems the world has today. These really good guys feel offended by such bloated systems and like minimal, efficient solutions. MS has lost the ability to attract these elite programmers forever and it is today a propagator of an anti-concept of software and software development.

Already too many people are not seeing the obvious. They believe MS produces acceptable operating systems, while anybody with real knowledge can only laugh about these caricatures of computing systems - this is doing so much harm to the whole IT world and therefor to the real world.

Bloat, bloat, bloat. Incredible. We must actively prepare to not let this illness float into the world of elegant, slick and efficient open source products. This is a dangerous bloat attack against the world of free thinking - be prepared to fight the invasion of miriads of dumb zombies! Neanderthalers are still out there, many of them, to fight the evolution of homo sapiens sapiens.

[gfodor]

I hate the term bloat. It's unquantifiable and is always inevitably in the eye of the beholder. It's a trick meant to make people think there is some objective measure being discussed, but in fact it is just a subjective 'gut feeling', that tends to be 'I don't like this software.'

I'd suggest if you want to criticize this release, you do so on a specific basis. You're generalizing not just about bloat (which is a relatively meaningless term) but also Microsoft itself. If you feel the .NET framework is bloated, then be specific. What does MS's operating systems have to do with the release of the .NET CLR and frameworks? These are two completely different pieces of work.

[calferreira]

Of course there's some bloat, but this makes our lives easier every day. Developers now can focus more on solutions and less on code.. The wheel was already invented a long time ago, don't you think ?

Please tell us which slick and efficient open source products do you use.