[pron]

OK, then, a different kind of problem. One is a problem for many separate individuals, while another is a problem for society (or large groups within it) as a whole.

And I wasn't saying therapists don't have any power. But I think even you will agree that Google, Apple and Facebook have a lot more power over the world than a psychiatrist. Note how in tech, power can be concentrated in a few corporations, while in therapy, power is a lot more distributed. Also, in therapy, teaching, and nursing, most central authorities are often democratically elected, and in any case are a lot more open than private corporations. It's a more diffuse kind of power.

Also, the mention of nursing, education and even psychotherapy (though the last may be different) is a little disingenuous because a major reason for the under-representation of men in those fields is also sexism -- Those professions aren't considered "manly" -- rather than any discrimination against men.

Finally, my talk of power isn't silly, but in line with the humongous body of research done on the subject. In other words, it's informed.

[yummyfajitas]

...while another is a problem for society (or large groups within it) as a whole.

Unless you can articulate why something is actually bad for human beings, as opposed to "society" or "large groups", it'll be pretty hard to convince thinking people that there is any reason to care.

Note that the political theory that society should unify and govern to benefit the "corporates" (power groups) and that the individual is irrelevant went out of fashion a long time ago. I'm deliberately not using the name of this theory since it provokes strong emotional reactions in people.

For any reasonable definition of power (which you haven't provided), Google has more power than an individual therapist. So what? You might as well say that any individual Google engineer has less power than than the AMA or other medical lobbying groups. That's also a true statement.

If you really believe tech companies have power comparable to the medical establishment, can you name the last time tech orchestrated a giveaway of other people's money comparable in scale to "mental health parity" (to name one example coming out of medicine)?

[pron]

I'm sorry, but as much as I'd want to, I can't give a whole course in history here in a couple of HN comments, but I think you should at least try to understand what I'm actually saying. E.g., I'm not saying that "the individual is irrelevant"; where in God's name did you get that? And I most certainly wasn't comparing the power of Google to that of an individual therapist. But the APA's (or the AMA's) power is, in fact, a lot less concentrated than Google's, it's a democratically elected body, and happens to be headed by men.

And I don't understand what your personal political opinions about taxes and private property have to do with sociology. The discussion about access to central power in a democratic nation is an interesting one, but irrelevant here.

[yummyfajitas]

And I most certainly wasn't comparing the power of Google to that of an individual therapist.

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But I think even you will agree that Google, Apple and Facebook have a lot more power over the world than a psychiatrist.

[pron]

Literal much?