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by EGreg 4240 days ago
Some people were horrified. It's a gross exaggeration to say most people were horrified.

Most articles at the time were negative. If you take issue with this, then I'd like to know what design changes you can EVER say about that most people didn't like the change, but were forced to put up with it and eventually forgot about it.

What does that mean? Every design choice in a product "forces" people to get used to it. This statement is pretty meaningless, except in that you're trying to imply that people had to be forced to use the new design, which is as stupid as it is untrue.

It's not meaningless. Given a choice, people might have stuck with iOS 6, but eventually upgraded to iOS 7 for other reasons than design (e.g. new functionality, apps requiring it, having Apple nag them, inability to downgrade after a while). That is relevant when talking about design being more or less liked.

But the fact that you're criticizing Apple for providing a switch to reduce motion effects is ridiculous.

Now you're being disingenuous. I didn't criticize Apple for PROVIDING the switch, but rather for replacing the interactions with a 3d zooming paradigm that introduced the vertigo. It was a minor point, however.

That's not all I can say. It's completely incorrect for you to make that assertion, and it suggests that you are not arguing in good faith.

I'm pretty sure I am saying exactly what I think. As are you, and you appear to be quite the Apple fanboy. (Disclosure: I develop for and own many versions of iPhones.)

Wild hyperbole is not an effective arguing tactic. Nobody would ever seriously consider iOS 7 to be equivalent to what is widely considered one of the highest-profile tech flops ever, especially given that iOS 7 reached a staggering 87% adoption rate after less than 7 months

Yes it is true that Apple's whole ecosystem and platform has always excelled at making people upgrade -- even as it junks their existing laptops / iphones / ipods making them run slower with every OS version, people wind up caving and updating.

I should clarify to avoid pedantic misunderstanding: I am talking about Vista also introducing interface "innovations" in the form of Aero, and people not going for it.

You pretend like there weren't lots of people saying stuff like this, until it died down:

http://www.zdnet.com/ios-7-why-im-finally-dumping-my-iphone-...

Absolute bullshit. I already told you that trying to invoke Steve's ghost was distasteful, and now you're doubling down. As I already said, he was quite infamous for his ability to change his mind and directly contradict previous claims he'd made, and he did so quite regularly. You cannot possibly think to speak for him. The fact that you're continuing to do so is rather repulsive.

What part of it is bullshit? So apparently I'm not supposed to discuss what views Karl Marx explicitly expressed or mention things he publicly extolled because I'd be invoking his ghost?

Apparently when a person dies their publicly stated views shouldn't be mentioned because it's distasteful? Or is it just too soon? I'm pretty sure Steve Jobs would want people to know what he said.

As for him changing his mind, that's you completely overstating the case in order to downplay the relevance his actual stated views. Nowhere did he express with words or actions that skeumorphism should be replaced with this stuff. That's like saying that mentioning Steve Jobs' position on two-button mice is distasteful and irrelevant because hey, he might have changed his mind later about it. And linking to articles which quote him is invoking his ghost? Come on now.

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-hated-multi-button...

In a broader sense, are you lashing out at anyone suggesting that Apple's design direction changed after Steve Jobs passed away?

Look, YOU CAN FIND TODAY a growing consensus that Google's mobile app design is now superior to Apple's, in the last couple years. This is really sad to see, considering Apple was always a leader in interface design and Google was very utilitarian. Yet it's true, more and more people are finding Google's apps today more beautiful and consistent than Apple's.

No it doesn't. It takes a photo if you tap the photo button. But if you're putting your finger down on the photo button then that's already too high to display Control Center. Trying to claim it's taking a photo means you are blaming the OS for your own complete incompetence in the act of swiping up from the bottom of the display.

I just took out my iPhone and did it again just to make sure. I still have iOS 7 on my phone. Bring up the Camera app. Start with your finger BELOW the screen. Move it up. Yes, the drawer appears showing that you can swipe up a second time, but by that time WHOOPS a photo has already been taken!

Perhaps instead of insulting me you can try it for yourself. And after you do, come back and tell everyone what you saw.

That picture is wrong. The color shown there is wildly off. Measuring the picture, the color it's showing apparently doesn't even display in sRGB, but the closest I can get is #21EF00.

I had several iPhones and I have seen it for myself. Neon green. Are ALL these images wrong?

https://www.google.com/search?q=ios+7+in-call+status+bar&esp...

That was added in 7.1. And I don't think I ever actually saw it get used. It was presumably removed in iOS 8 either because of changes to the behavior of Safari's chrome that made it not usable, or because it didn't do the job right, or because Apple wanted to make the browser chrome even more consistent, or maybe some other reason entirely. I don't know. But the fact that I never actually saw it in the wild is suggestive that it really doesn't matter that it was removed. This is not the first time Apple has added something in one OS version and removed it in another. And it surely won't be the last.

I don't know how much you participate in web developer forums or Q&A sites but check on stackoverflow how many web developers have had gripes with iOS 7's redesign.

People were very happy that minimal-ui came out (see articles online) and from what I see here you're actually praising Apple for:

1) Taking the predictable iOS 6 browser and making the chrome hide as you scroll + hijacking clicks on the bottom of the screen to make it appear again

2) Introducing minimal-ui to address the many complaints from web developers

3) Deprecating minimal-ui in iOS 8 and bringing back the "predictable" iOS 6 UI

OK, if going back and forth is what you consider so great, what can I say.

Funny, I just uploaded an image to imgur.com just fine on my iOS 8 device: http://imgur.com/CRZ4dCU*

That's because Apple released a fix http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25790873/uploading-files-...

No it doesn't. It only speaks to how people like you leap to conclusions based on a complete lack of any evidence whatsoever as to what went wrong and what, if anything, it indicates about their processes.*

Yeah sure, you'd like for it to be all about me. Here read it in their own words: http://letsunlockiphone.guru/ios-8-0-1-bugs-release-notes-of...

> yadda yadda yadda more claims about group messaging being broken with zero evidence,

DUDE I am a web developer and my company develops mobile apps. We took a lot of heat from our users because the iOS broke SMS messaging in EVERY app on the system, and hasn't fixed it to this day. Since iOS 7, the system LIES to the apps and says a message was sent, and there is NO WAY to determine that it wasn't. Users think it's our app until they realize that EVERY app has the same problem. And Apple hasn't ever fixed it until iOS 8.

Evidence? OK

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/01/ios-7-user-report-...

http://news.yahoo.com/suffering-from-imessage-issues-on-ios-...

http://www.masstextmessage.com/apple-releases-7-0-3-update-t...

http://www.masstextmessage.com/problems-persist-please-send-...

It appears they finally fixed it in iOS 8.

http://www.masstextmessage.com/ios8/