[diltonm]

I get your points and see it like this, Red Hat is like Ford. Solid, reliable, sometimes quite innovative. Yet the desktop Linux market slipped right by them for like ... years. One has to wonder what could cause such slippage. Ubuntu is more like Samsung to me than Sony. The innovation is off the chart, not everything hits, a lot doesn't but what it does do is cause others to strive and that is leadership.

[olau]

I don't think that's really a fair comment. Red Hat has always focused on the enterprise - home users didn't slip past them, they were never the focus.

The original success of Ubuntu was really incremental improvements - they took Debian as a stable base and improved on the installer and on the defaults, fixing a big bunch of the small obstacles that prevented non-technical people from using the system.

[te_chris]

Say what you will about Sony these days - and there's much to be said - but there is no way Samsung could create something as brilliant as the PS4. Samsung are successful, but I can't think of anything they innovate and lead in, as far as their consumer side is concerned.