[KhalilK]

I may be going on rampage here but "It does contain a fair bit of math" really grinds my gears!

Of course it does, it is about square roots and inversions.

In most of the cases, in order to optimize an algorithm or solve a problem, mathematics will do it for you, and that ranges from simple arithmetic properties to base changing theorems in linear algebra.

You just can not tackle such subjects without expecting it to contain a fair bit of math .

[sjolsen]

Seriously, computer science itself is a branch of mathematics. Or is mathematics a branch of computer science...?

It's not always weird bit-level arithmetic, but if you aren't using math at some level, you're not programming; you're just futzing around with a text editor.

[_yosefk]

Well, at some level almost everything can be described as using math. However, loads of software used by millions and netting millions can be and is written by people who most would describe as barely mathematically literate, from most sorts of business/accounting software (unless arithmetic is math) to device drivers to dating sites (where you could and will use heavyweight machine learning to match people but it kinda seems that having actual people on the site delivers 99.99% of the value regardless of said machine learning.)

There are counter-examples in every area, of course, it's just that the majority of programmers out there aren't great at math and are very much employable. And more often than not, people who're really great at math go to great lengths to avoid programming even when their work revolves around computers.

CS is a branch of math, of course, but this fact happily co-exists with all of the above.

[thewarrior]

All I do is make buttons blink with jquery and I'm supposedly an engineer.

[talmand]

If you also make things happen on the click event of the button then I would say that counts.

[rtpg]

loads of things do not require math (in the sort of "doing stuff with functions in (R -> R), or multiplications/division).

Pretty much no sorting algorithm requires mathematical knowledge to work through, nor do many data structure algorithms. Concurrency resolution issues neither.

This is of course, so long as you consider math to be "do stuff with these numbers." Group theory and the like can help guide your results on a more abstract level.

EDIT: what I meant by this is the sort of "number-y" math that people usually mean when saying "warning: Math ahead". I realise that abstract modeling is also a part of mathematics, but that's not what people usually _mean_ when said in the context of what parent post was mentioning

[avz]

> ...math (in the sort of "doing stuff with functions in (R -> R), or multiplications/division")

This is not what math is. It's more what calculus is and math is a lot more than calculus. Most mathematics is not about numbers at all.

BTW: Interesting results about sorting algorithms (e.g. the lower bound of O(nlogn) complexity for comparison-based sorts) require maths (specifically combinatorics, permutations etc). Concurrency involves math, too. See the famous happens-before relationship which involves notions of sets (of executions), transitivity, partial ordering, etc.

[vishnugupta]

> See the famous happens-before relationship which involves notions of sets (of executions), transitivity, partial ordering, etc.

[OT] What's the probability of two comments with very similar views appearing at the same time :-). I too did comment almost exactly same thing!

PS: Ducks from down-votes.

[vishnugupta]

> Concurrency resolution issues neither.

I beg to differ on this one. Proving, or at least reasoning about, concurrent algorithm does involve wrapping your head around happened before model, logical clocks, state machines and such. Most of these concepts are grounded in discrete math; group theory, partial ordering and so on.

[pdpi]

> Pretty much no sorting algorithm requires mathematical knowledge to work through, nor do many data structure algorithms. Concurrency resolution issues neither.

None of those requires _calculus_. I disagree about them not requiring maths.