[yabatopia]

If the Western Model is so broken, why are so many people from all over the world risking their lives trying to get into Western countries? There are economic reasons (probably for the majority), but there's also the powerful appeal of democracy, justice, freedom of speech, acceptance of so-called alternative lifestyles, freedom of religion and other human rights. It would be a mistake to reduce the Western model to hardcore profit driven capitalism.

[waps]

And if you lived in Brussels, you'd see the effect of this. Freedoms in Brussels, whether we're talking freedom of speech (constant violence is opposing it), freedom of ideology (honor killings, anti-Jewish attacks, ...), freedom of marriage (again violence and killings), freedom of ... they're all under attack from exactly that group. And the presence of that group is making security measures that also limit freedom a necessity (I mean that the presence of these groups is pushing other political factions to reduce liberties). Those security measures include limiting freedom of speech, e.g. "correcting" history books on the Armenian genocide, downplaying the fact that Turkey was on the wrong side in both world wars, "correcting" away that Muhammad committed religious genocide and re-introduced slavery. Holding up Moorish Spain as a bastion of tolerance, removing mention of the constant massacres the Moors committed, and of course stating that the hatred of the other city states against the Moors was caused by racism, not by the constant attacks, the massacres against Spaniards, or the fact that Moors kidnapped citizens from the other city states' ships and sold them into slavery, or the fact that Moorish piracy and raids destroyed their economies, isolating them within their walls, for centuries. Hell, even the positive statement that muhammad had something to do with the spread of the legal principle of jurisprudence had to go.

I have little doubt that the same is happening in Paris, Madrid, Berlin, ...

> It would be a mistake to reduce the Western model to hardcore profit driven capitalism.

True. But hardcore profit driven capitalism is pretty much the only western value that's not under attack from immigrants. Actually, it is a little bit, but only a little bit.

[ende]

This guy gets it