[viksit]

Hehe because I don't subscribe to monotheism? ;) I prefer vim's modal editing mode and have been using it as my primary for as long as I can remember. For clojure/lisp, I found that the vim tooling was just not as elegant/efficient as emacs (fireside et al arent as nice as cider/swank), and decided to learn how to use it. It's not that much of an "antipattern" because the keymaps are very different. I don't like using vim mode within emacs either - for some reason I find myself thinking in emacs mode when editing lisps. I do think that I could be more productive in emacs if I invested more time in the tutorials, but so far it hasn't been an issue. To me, it's more like needing to know how to use Eclipse or IntelliJ to program in Java since their tooling is so great.

[methehack]

You might consider checking out evil mode. It's for real. Does not feel like emulation at all.

[viksit]

Ah, will check. I'm not sure how it will coexist with all the cider key bindings though?

[catern]

It coexists pretty near perfectly, since vim and emacs keybindings are usually non-overlapping.

[MBlume]

Can you tell me more about why cider > fireplace? I'm a clojure developer working in vim, I've considered moving over to emacs a few times, and I'd love to hear what you see as the advantages.

[viksit]

@MBlume - first and foremost, the installation process for me for fireplace was fraught with issues. I installed lein.vim, fireplace, and a bunch of other stuff from all the allied projects : as much as I love vim, it was too much overheard for me to just go through all that! Once I did get it working (and after having worked with emacs/swank/lisp before) - it was just very unintuitive to me. It also feels much slower than cider, and doesn't offer things like the inspector for stack traces and things that cider can. Most importantly, I think the inferior mode in emacs is just a pleasure to use in terms of functionality - I've used it with R, lisp, clojure, and ipython. It's a very neat/clean interface.

There's also the fact that all of these modes are a simple M-x-package-install <package-name> away and they just work. It's kind of like choosing OS X for me after using Linux as my main OS for years and years - I didn't have to worry about the wifi card not being detected or my dual screen display needing a lot of kernel modules : things just work :)