[__P]

I haven't really read the "outside foreign forces" line in chinese press. Where did you see that?

Chinese understand their government and the Hong Kong situation. So I don't know why the government would need to lie about it?

You are assuming the majority of chinese want a democratic government. I'm not sure that's true.

[ximeng]

http://paper.wenweipo.com/2014/09/27/HK1409270007.htm

傅振中並向警方舉報，本月5日，署名「民主真兄弟」的市民在互聯網揭露反對派公然勾結外國勢力，其中指稱有美國駐港領事館人員向香港中學生及大專生領袖稱，即使他們有非法行為也「不用擔心」，因為「美國會給予他們去外國留學及定居的機會」，令人懷疑美國直接用利益去引誘香港青少年去做違法行為。

Basically saying that the American consulate told secondary school students that they don't need to worry about illegal behaviour because they can study and settle in the US.

The outside foreign forces line is very common though - the above is one example from a quick search.

Also I don't see the assumption in the parent that majority of Chinese want a democratic government.

[McDoku]

With out universal suffrage how can you tell the collective will with out an imposed narrative bias?

Press is controlled and self censored. Many Chinese that I know simply stay clear of politics. Politics has very dark consequences in China.

Even if you are a party member you can easily get caught up in an anti-corruption purge.

Don't get me wrong, democracy is not a silver bullet... it is allot of work and imperfect at the best of times.

[jtzhou]

Indeed, and posting to web forums, especially with connections to mainland China, can be risky due to the traceback of IP addresses, collected or "procured" by Chinese authorities. This happened even through the cooperation of Yahoo in Hunan Province.

I highly recommend using the Tor network for political discussions.

[McDoku]

Using Tor correctly as well..lol. Thanks for the worries, but no worries. I good old maple syrup blooded Canuckle head here.

[nbevans]

There's quite a few articles where China has directly blamed the British government of interference. We have done nothing wrong from what I can see. The USA has, today, made a larger interference than anything we've done by holding a White House press conference on the subject of Hong Kong.

The UK signed a treaty that it, and China, would uphold the two systems approach (amongst other assurances) for HK. Since the UK is a signatory to this treaty we are at least allowed to make comments on the subject. China is acting as though this treaty does not exist by suggesting we are interfering.

That said, I read this morning that our deputy PM Nick Clegg has been tweeting on the HK protests. He needs to shut up. Twitter is not the way for a UK government to make its feelings known.

[hackuser]

> You are assuming the majority of chinese want a democratic government. I'm not sure that's true.

This position always raises interesting questions for me: What do they want? How do they express their desires? Finally, how will they express their desires when they change?

[gcb4]

same way in a two party democracy.

you shut up and live it up. or make protests that will be largely ignored, after some police violence, and after posting bail you vote for the 3rd candidate.