[hahainternet]

> What does that say about these people in power, they literally view your right to privacy as dangerous. Sickening

Your right to privacy is dangerous. Imagine trying to investigate a murder with unlimited privacy. Unless someone saw the killer kill, you've no chance.

[oldmanjay]

Optimizing society to catch murderers at the expense of the 99.999%(+!) of people who do not murder seems stupid, frankly.

[vermontdevil]

Yeah we have always caught killers over the years solely on the basis on electronic spying. Forget about all the other tools of detective work that has been used.

[hahainternet]

That's a complete strawman you've pulled on me there. I never said anything like that.

[mrweasel]

Individual privacy rights isn't actually dangerous. It's neither a person secrets or even their beliefs that are dangerous, it's their actions.

Focusing on solving a murder and being willing to scarifies the privacy of everyone, even the people that are in no real danger is foolish. The billions of dollars spend on spying on regular people are mostly wasted. Taking the same money and directing them towards prevention may yield better results. I'm not talking about the kind of prevention where the FBI pick up some terrorist just before he's about to bomb something. I'm talking about the kind where we avoid that people become terrorists.

If companies and individuals make it impossible for the governments to spy on people infeasible we might get more focus on prevention.

Also, strip away the privacy of the murderer and you strip away the privacy for all of us, including those who fight oppressive regimes and dictatorships. That might not be a sensible tradeoff.

[XorNot]

Here's the problem: you can't prevent everything. So at the end of the day you still have to actually catch and stop some terrorists, and even in a perfect world it's likely you have to still catch and stop some who just won't be dissuaded.

It's notable that more elaborate terrorist attacks are not carried out by idiots - these are people who have gone to college, gotten degrees etc.

[scottlocklin]

Man, how did the government investigate murders before universal surveillance? Obviously if they can't spy on our cell phones, the murder rate will increase dramatically!