[ggchappell]

> I remember reading once that part of Apple’s success was owed to their shunning of lean principles, that they only ever ship complete, mature products.

I think I read that, back when the original Macintosh was being developed, some people from Apple toured a Toyota factory to see how things were done there.

Since Toyota pioneered lean, it sounds more like Apple embraced lean principles than that they shunned them. OTOH, this would have been a number of years before Apple was anything like the success they are today.

EDIT: Also, do lean principles have anything to do with not shipping finished products? I thought lean was all about things like minimizing inventory.

[mortenjorck]

I'm using too broad a term there. I should have been saying lean startup principles, as popularized by Eric Ries.

[ggchappell]

Ah, I see. I'd never heard of them or him.

I think I shall now exit this discussion and go enlighten myself.