[ejr]

I didn't downvote you, but I imagine it has less to do with what you said and more with how you said it. NSLs as a "boogeyman" is a poor substitute for lacking evidence. So far, we know that these things are sent to US companies which are in the business of collecting and bartering data. While Apple has a corner of that market, it isn't its entirety.

So here they have snippets of our information Ex: email, credit card, home address for app purchases. However, it's just as possible to use the phone normally without downloading a single app. That leaves the SIM provider holding the bag for your information ready to be collected by the authorities. Effectively, Apple washes its hands of your data on phone calls, but there is no reason to presume lies regarding backdoors on iMessage.

Also, I'm not an "Apple fan boy". I'm just unconvinced of widespread eavesdropping at Apple and that they're willing to risk destroying such a massive advantage over Google's Hangouts platform.

[efdee]

In a post-Snowden world, when it comes to leaking your data, companies are guilty until proven innocent. That is the only sensible stance to take given what we have learned in the last year.

[hadoukenio]

This.

The Director of National Intelligence James Clapper tells Congress that the NSA doesn't conduct intelligence on American citizens, and then later gets caught out. He committed Perjury without any ramifications.

Why do people think that CEOs are telling the truth when they are all in the same boat paddling up shit river?